Some questions about bass integration and XOs (Oris Horns)

by GC, Thursday, December 20, 2007, 12:41 (5965 days ago) @ unknown
edited by GC, Thursday, December 20, 2007, 14:37

I think I am one of those fortunate
souls that has difficulty in detecting problems with phase, time alignment
etc, but perhaps when my system plays music properly then these things are
just right

Hi Chris

Congrats with your system bringing you so much joy. :ok:

If you don't think you are fortunate enough being granted a brain by God and leaving you alone not being able to detect timealignment and phase-disorder, then it would have been God ho did that to you.
We can all hear it. You too.

But maybe we caNot find words for eventual disorder in this respect, because the brain don't know what it is that is causing the disorder. It can only hear the disorder. And that is about somthing is wrong in my sound, lack of transperency, no details or too many of them, kick and harmony and so on....
We look for what's causing bad sound and many times we look in the wrong direction. I must buy a new and better amp, DAC, loudspeakers, cables oh boy whatever attempt to cure it. But my point is that almost anything can be forced to order if the ingredients of disorder is not related to s'h'i't drivers.

But say if you took 2 sets of exact similar speakers, one showing perfect timealignment and phase order and the other system just were tuned out to be disordered: You would hear that God gave you a brain that can detect it.

And after this you would know exactly which words to use when you detect disorder again.

How to cope with it I addressed in one of my first posts here.

GC

Allowe me to quote Duelund ideas about what a brain is:

The brain. (A most complicated part)
At first I most emphasise that we are human beings. We have
developed a language and an enormous capacity of memory. We can
remember. That capacity alone is what differentiates us from the
animals. But more important, the simple fact that we have survived the
harsh nature as animals, despite our as single individual very low
probability of surveillance, tells that we further must have developed
our sense of hearing. Remember that half the time of your existence is
in the dark and further in sleep.
When you listen, the brain sorts in the signals, building up an
understandable picture of the event, based on recognition of sound and
reflections built up from early childhood if it can. The result of this
selection is what you seem to hear.
Listening to reproduced sound and the recorded overtones and
reflections are mixed by distortion or disturbed in phase, the brain
can't detect them correctly and therefore they will be interpreted as
sound formed around the instruments, whereby the sound stage
becomes flat.
If the amount of low level information is lesser disturbed, then the
brain will detect it as filling the room between the artists, the walls and
the ceiling as reverberation and hopefully some of it as overtones
attached to the single instrument. You can now detect a room, but still
it is attached to the sound of the instruments, as if the artists turn their
back to you. The instruments become like reflected sounds supplied
with some sort of distortion, hard for the brain to interpret, why it puts
that on the instruments, and they at some notes sound a bit distorted.
GCB! Sometimes it helps turning the absolute phase.
First when all information are reproduced sufficiently correct, the
brain can do its job, to separate the instruments from the sounds from
the surroundings. Listen for the silence between the sound and its
echoes.
The needed information for a good perception is normally present in
many recordings, but can be very troublesome to dig out.
That production of discs and records vary so much in quality, is an
other story. But let us communicate to find good labels and discs, easy
for the brain to understand.
The brain tries to make sense in the tiny sound of noise and
wrongdoing, and will try to interpret them as parts of it all. If they
can't be translated as overtones or reverberation, what they often will
be, we'll hear them as distortion. So even if you think, you have a big
sound of reverberation, it doesn't mean that it is in order. To find out if
it is, you should listen for the silence between the primary sound (the
artist) and the secondary sound (the reverberation), clearly heard on
recording of classical music or recordings from a church.
A phenomenon, you further have to take in consideration, which the
brain can detect, is the absolute phase. It can be heard as distortion or
as an unsettled picture of sound.

continues in the next post

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