NuForce talks (Off Topic)

by PeterSt. , Netherlands, Saturday, January 27, 2007, 11:02 (6299 days ago) @ GC

Dear GC,

[loooooong]

PS! Just to get one thing precised. I'm also playing on the 9, not the SE
who's said to be even better.

Whaaaaat ?!!?!
Maybe I missed it, but I didn't know that.
Hmm ... so now we're talking about the exact same product, that changes things ...

Well, then we must make a happy thread of this.

And for once I will "defend" all reviewers saying this is the
best. How could they recomend a sound that is so scary lausy screaming
howling useless to anyone. It caNot be they are lyeing that
much?:confused:

Somehow I can't find these. Note though that I read very different opposed to normal human being, monkeys and the like. So, I find reviews allright, but judge them as biased, commercial, etc. I don't mean in general, I mean the NuForce. For fun GC, you could point me to such a review, and I can try to explain how to read it.
Might you come up with 6moons : there's nothing there (SE). Just nothing. It could well be that they didn't even connect it. Just an example.
Don't say that 6moons is trustworthy, because *any* reviewer raving about the best product each next month, is just not. Can't be for statistical reasons. :blrrr:

Remember, we turned this into a happy thread (well, I did), but I could also ask this question :
"How can it be that someone is happy with no matter what amp if he is using another component in te chain which makes the sound worse always". I won't refer to the by now boring two letter word, so this time I refer to horn speakers, let's say, the SWING. Now suppose you have the SWING and I have a Thiel or whatever $10,000+ loudspeaker, and I bought this amp and rave about it's clarity, openness, effortlessness, distortion-free sound, beautiful cymbals, unheard lows, very good staging, tears in thee eyes before unheard playback. Would you, owner of the SWINGs, even START to believe the trustworthyness of that person ?

HE JUST CAN'T BE RIGHT BECAUSE HE IS PROVEN UNABLE TO HEAR IT ALL.

The only thing happened is that this person is now more happy than before.
With you GC it is the same. You own/use the SWINGs but you can never rave about proper sound, because you just don't have the proper playback means. And I say it once more : when using "normal" playback means, things start to sound like the NuForce. Please read this sentence once more, because it tells that one way or the other, you most probably listened to the same we heard, because the player already does it to you.

But this is a happy thread, and we must have trust. So we do.

There is a rather simple test anyone can apply with enough horsepower in the amps to blow out the windows. Remember to use a digital source (hence no turntable) :

Preferrably use a 112dB or more speaker. Now turn up the volume so loud you will never normally listen to. Btw, keep in mind the previous sentence, because already in there is the crux.

Okay, in my case that would be 4 x 130 continues Watts the volume near 12 oclock into the SWINGs. It would produce aeroplane like SPL ...
Assumed you can bear it on the sweetspot, start walking around in the room.

If all is okay, nothing hurts your ears with any kind of music, you do not encounter standing waves (except less than approx 1m from walls), and in fact you could turn up the volume further if you'd feel the need.

Now I challenge you, in fact anyone to do that. I know *I* can do it, and I know if some track hurts my ears (where it well can be that lots do not), something is wrong somewhere (like the experience of matching the SWINGs + filters to my SS system).
There are no standing waves in my (untreated in fact too large) room, when *all* is right.

Now be honest to yourself, set the NuForce at 12 oclock (ehh, twist the knob some 20 times) and tell us what you hear. Are you comfortable with it ?
Mind you, I am not suggesting the NuForce hurting your ears, I state that the CD player already does ...

It is the other way around just the same;
If you tell us that nothing hurts, you can be anywhere in the room without encountering standing basswaves or harshness in the highs for that matter (standing waves again).
If you have problems with the NuForce volume knob, just think of aeroplane levels ...
And don't forget : any music.

I "trust" it you won't come back with "no problems".
Anyway, keep this in mind as a theoretical reference which works in practice too. In my room it works. In Bert's rooms it works just the same.

One last thing I learned just the other day :
In these forums, several times I referred to Bert's listening room as being too damped to my ears, i.e. too "dry". Or for that same matter : too much unnatural focusing of bass waves (technically looking very sophisticated :confused.
Now remember my theories about standing waves (I'm alone on that in this world so far), but at Bert's place we proved that it can work the other way around as well. A complete dry room (which you like or not) could turn into something I'm used to as natural (which is not complete dry), and which was caused by ... something wrong.

Stuff like this is so spooky and unbelieveable ...
Thus, my too hollow room does not produce (audible !) standing waves when all is right, and Bert's whatever room does not produce complete dry sound when all is right.

Nobody, just nobody will believe this, and many will judge this as complete b.s.
BUT :
When you accept this stuff just as true, and you start tweaking on this instead of tweaking until you hear nice sound, you'd have a practical not-subjective means to calibrate. Note that with "tweaking" I certainly don't mean DSP stuff or whatever unnatural means to get rid of standing waves (including basstraps etc.). You'd have to do one thing only : reproduce music as it's on the source.

Since this is my theory, and since it really works like that, I could prove the other way around so - so easy. It really doesn't matter much which component to use in order to destroy the sound. No, produce standing waves, or even the opposite (like what happened to Bert's room ? -> difficult to explain to myself).

That amp caused me my lifes headache re. AC and grounding. The only thing
I did not try out yet is to play from a different source than my TVC.

We did, it got worse.
Btw, did you try to watch television with the amp playing ? the thing is radiating as hell. Knowing this, it becomes very hard to think of good sound hence the thing not influencing everyting around it.
The device IMO is illegally CE branded, and is improperly grounded as well (wrong design).

Regards,
Peter

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